A 90° just before the timing lights is more hazardous than a straight shot (in my experience). I should know as I've taken out the NBSCC timing lights before.

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1997 Talon TSi AWD
2008 EVO X MR

With me almost always driving front wheel drive.(the motorhome is front wheel drive too) I can only guess as to what the rear pushers do all the time. I had envisioned the front pushing out and the drivers having to keep it slower coming into the stop box and not the rear swinging out due to full power and loss of traction. see just balance again
we did have the actual head on the left side and the cheaper easier to replace reflector on the right. however I did notice from the timing tent that a few cars came really close to the left side too

I agree with Scott
Better and safer to have a straightish shot into the stop box, as long as there is a little bit of run-off room behind it for cars that are unable to stop in time

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But straight in would result in the 15M timing-gear spacing and 6M minimum (we extended it to 15M) of stop box distance being woefully inadequate resulting in threshold braking being part of the run unless you wanted to take up a much larger portion of the usable parking lot for just the stopbox.

Personally I like the idea of braking being part of the "test" like in the old days, and that's saying something ...as nothing I compete with has ABS which puts me at a decided disadvantage

Stacy

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The fricton circle for my 911 Porsche resembles more of an oblong... I'm either trailbraking or accelerating while trying to get it to turn!

30m (plus an extra 10-20ft) is enough to make a slowdown box which IMO is highly preferred to a stopbox. The ASN regs are woefully undersized for proper courses anyway, we should usually be exceeding their length. Either way the final element was way too close. You should be aiming for the last element 100' from the box, or have the last element not super unsettle the car like that one. Assume everyone can (and will) go flat to the floor when they see the lights to try and make up for the rest of the course. I'd rather see a finish take up more space but feel safe to enter than have a course be a a couple seconds longer.

And that start...what exactly is it trying to accomplish?
-You took away the fun/skill of getting a proper launch at the start
-Required braking before the timing lights. Seriously?
-So tight that every car has to take an identical line, and anyone with a slow steering ratio and/or no PS is going to be frustrated just to get on the course
-Lights right by the exit where a rear end will slide on cold tires in a super gravely lot

If you can't do a 90deg start like this, just make it straight. Nice and wide, timing gear away from the cones, and the placement of the first element makes you think about what line to take. If doing something doesn't make it more fun for the competitor, you should probably remove or rethink that element. Super tight corners like that start are fun for no one, except maybe mini drivers. Everytime we've made a tight ASCC course with turns like that people complained, and for good reason. I wish people would give us feedback for every course but public opinions seem to be reacted to poorly around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZokhCXdWl4Y

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Ok, I'll bite again...

-As explained many times we've had problems in the past with smokey burnouts leaving the start, and with the Port security guy set up right there we needed to negate that as much as possible (...He had the power to throw us out of there if he didn't like what he saw). It really wasn't that tight at the start and it rewarded those who concentrated more on their line than mashing the gas.

-Braking for the corner before the stop box (at the green pylons, surround by clean pristine pavement with no gravel) yes ...but nobody was braking going through the lights, and once past the lights the shutdown area was ample. Ideal no, but it's what we had to work with.

-Everybody had a choice of early or late apex lines through most of the course, the only places that a single line was created was where it was done intentionally to get competitors to straddle potholes

-At least five cars on course had no power steering and they had no problem.

-Yes the lights were next to the course, but we tried for an hour to move them farther apart with no luck (Saint John fog?). So we switched the reflector (which we had spares of) to the outside of the course and went with the overkill method to make sure that the cord stayed out of the way by being held in the air by my boom truck



BTW I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when you say that you say public opinions are reacted too poorly perhaps you shouldn't tag stuff with "Seriously?", "What exactly is it trying to accomplish?" etc...

Thanks
Stacy

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The fricton circle for my 911 Porsche resembles more of an oblong... I'm either trailbraking or accelerating while trying to get it to turn!

Could have opened those gates up 5-10 feet and it would still have lessened the need for a hard launch but not have made it so tight. And yes, it's tight. An S2000 with a quick ratio rack having to go hand over hand and brake+coast through the lights is the very definition of tight. Just because a car *can* get through doesn't mean you should do it. I built full closed 90 boxes like that start in sackville once and it was awful (Joel regretted letting me setup that day!). Everyone could get through them clean (even the hondas with no PS) but it wasn't FUN.

Alternatively, move the tight turn much closer to start line but drop the timing lights back 15-20ft after the turn. Then there is no incentive to launch but you have a chance to set yourself up for the lights. Setting it up so the driver is crossed up entering the course is not good/fun course design in my book.

And all that list was referring to just the start, not the rest of the course.

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Hey Stacy, sorry I didn't make it up but just too much going on and just not enough time.

I have to make a comment on something you said. And I assume you would agree, but You said you had a problem with big burnouts out of the start box.
Its a hard thing to control as we are pushing the cars hard. But from running the church as much as we do, we dont leave much for marks. BECAUSE we enforce smart driving, and if competitors are starting to spin a bunch, we stop them right away. Even a red flag a few times. They they get the hint or go away. (We have never turned anyone away by the way.) Lots are hard to get now, and informing the competitors of this is key. Make them relies how much a burnout or power turn can cost the club. We like to tell people, not to do anything like that at the church, but Digby on the other hand is the place to go for it. I know its hard to tell people, but its life now. Not to pick a car out, but the silver RX-7 would get 1 warning, then be kick-out at our events. We just cant afford to lose the lot. $20 entrance fee is nothing in comparison to what another lot might cost us. Sounds mean, but its the horrible truth.

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AX-1995 Honda Civic CX FSP
RR-1995 Honda DelSol VTEC GT4
2009 Canadian Solosprint Champion.
ARMS Race Director. Race@armsinc.ca

Yeah, we had a purple Mustang we had to speak to last year at Harbour Station ...took off in a huff and we never saw him again

Stacy

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The fricton circle for my 911 Porsche resembles more of an oblong... I'm either trailbraking or accelerating while trying to get it to turn!

Here is my best run. This was run #2, a 64.132 I think. I was much better and smoother on my next two runs, thought I was heading for a 63 but my times were progressively worse at @ 64.3 and 64.6 due to the asphalt conditions. I 'think' this run was good for around 5th overall and 2nd in PAX, but will have to wait for official results. Good thing this is all for fun and nobody is competitive or anything lol.

I think I will try for something better for camera mounting, not overly happy with the results of this location and I don't like having it strapped to the outside. May try to rig up something on a head rest.

Nice run Steve.
Go check with Jason Kustom Auto for a head rest mount. He should be able to come up with something stable and secure. sure wouldn't want the camera coming off during a run.

Man, screw you guys with your tall gear ratios and limited slip diffs!

I can barely get 30ft before I hit my the limiter doing 35km/h and spinning one wheel!

That being said, you guys (Steve and Greg) had really solid runs!

I haven't been out of 1st gear in 3 events

65kph in 1st gear, 118kph in 2nd. Super long and a big spread, its the only real fault I can find with it. the 2nd gear shift will drop it out of the power slightly. The engine has great torque though and I think the reasoning for long gears was that there would be too much wheel spin if they had designed it with short ratios. Thankfully the diff works great to minimize spin with traction off.

That said I'm looking forward to Digby to stretch it out a bit.

suction cup mount on rear drivers side window looking over left shoulder gives good results in some cars

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If you've got a gopro and a suction mount, open the sunroof and mount it just behind in the center. Lets you see cone placement and your steering inputs.

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'99 BMW M3 / "Elvic"

Yeah I think Greg's setup is about the best I've seen so far. The view shows pretty much everything.

I suction cup mine on the right rear corner of the sunroof. Works well for me. I also used some scrap aluminium, some u-bolts, and some all-thread to make a great headrest brace.

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evanwritescars.com

Results have been posted on the ARMS web site:

http://www.armsinc.ca/2016/06/2016-regi ... 1-results/

Championship standings:

http://www.armsinc.ca/solosport/autosla ... standings/

If there are any error, please let me know.

I've got an angle grinder at the shop. we can chop your roof off and get you the same setup I have!

I got lucky with the tripod setup, although it looks dorky in pictures. It all just snaps into place with the existing grocery hooks behind the seat, plus a zip tie or two. Getting the camera up high really helps me know how far away from cones i am.

Also, an R33 Skyline is STX but any other JDM car is CSP?

JDM cars can't go in the ST classes
Need to start at SP and move up from there based on modifications

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I missed that. Yeah, he can't run in STX. Looking at the catch-alls, he probably should be in CSP.

I can change it on my end for next time.
and Ming if you like I can redo the reports and send them to you to make the results officially correct. or you can just change it on your end too.