Mosport Indy results posted.

Congrats to Scott and Paul on the wins. Good to see Steve, Stacy and Brian W out.

Mosport is a great place to show off grip and HP. Except for Moss. That was a crapshoot for me between trying to get the car slowed and turned over the abrupt elevation change, bumps and what seemed like a 3 ft high curb, and then launching the car in first gear to get a good run down the straight. Not sure I got it exactly the same for any two laps.

Scott on pole for R1 didn't say a word this time and I still found myself slow at the start. Though I was paying attention this time I was on the bumps in Tlast when the field took off so I didn't trust to just floor the car in first gear. Chased Ryan the first lap and got a good tow to get alongside him at the end of the straight. Was trying to hold the inside when clipped the curb which made the car jump sideways a few feet. Was waiting for the impact but it didn't happen. Chased Brian for a few laps after he had an issue at Moss, but once I lost the draft he started to pull away. John was slowly closing the gap as the race went on but saw him run wide at Moss which gave me some breathing room. At one point came across Paul and what appeared to be a ball of white car near tlast.

Second race I started down around 7th place so was expecting a good scrap. Managed to slide the car past Scott when he got sideways in 2B on the second lap. Jay must have had damage from contact with Scott as he fell back right after that. Stayed in Brian's tow for a few laps until he had problems exiting Moss. John was slowly chasing me down as the race went on. At one point thought he was going to pass me when we were both on the grass getting around a spun car sitting between 2A and 2B. Steve, thanks for making room when we caught you near pit in. Was looking like it was going to be a close finish but with about 5 laps to go John went wide out of T1 and never saw him again. With Paul way out front, was careful after that not to gift Ryan second place.

V8s at the ring next week and then Indycars at Zandvoort. If you can let me know what cars/truck you will be running at the ring by the end of the weekend we can drop the unused ones and fit others in their place. I'll likely run the older Falcon again.

BTW did anyone try the DX11 version last night. I did but can't say for sure what changes it made as it required running the graphics config wizard again which changed all the graphics settings. Was kind of neat see grass/gravel stick on the tires and watch it wear off once got back on the track.

PS there are still a couple open spots for the 12 hours of Sebring this Saturday with the vette DP C7. If you have a couple hours Saturday afternoon please let Ryan know (if someone can't make it later in the day I can switch the early afternoon spot with them).

I'm going to try the Holden next week. Should be fun since I have never turned a clean lap with that beast yet but I figured what the fawk, why not!

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VP, AMP
#51 Vantage Motorsports

I am going to stick with the Falcon next week. I was considering going with the newer cars, however that was more money than I currently possess and I had an Audi and FR2.0 to purchase

The races last night were wicked fun, though I was well off the pace despite my best efforts. Admittedly, I haven't had much running at Mosport on iRacing and it showed with the few ill advised excursions I had over my two races.
In Race 1 I got jumped pretty early on, I simply didn't have the pace as things went on. Jay and I had a bit of back and forth for a bit before he got a bit too ambitious on the inside on the back straight and lifted my rear tire. No harm no foul, but I missed my brake point and then thought I might have damage, so I pit. Turns out I didn't, but the time was lost and I languished down the order.

Race 2 went far better, though mostly through misfortune for those in front of me. I just decided to buckle in and do my thing lap after lap without spinning or crashing and I was fortunate enough to survive where Brian, Scott, Jay, and Jeff spun off or crashed at different points which netted me a very sweet podium. It almost didn't have though, as Dave's dramatic crash at the finish on the last lap eventually had him rolling into my path where the stump of his nose hit my sidepod and launched me into the pit wall. Thankfully, my wreckage rolled itself over the finish line before Scott could catch me.

It was fun and fast and wicked, and I look forward to next week for even more insanity.

EDIT: Also, I would love if anyone else would like to join in. I'm sure some schedules can be changed for the 12hr, but at this point I might have to beg Ken to start an hour earlier and I run an hour later so we can cover off that morning stint.

...please don't make me run >4 hours again....please...

Cool to see more people out last night.
2st race was going ok, pacing Scott a couple seconds back, came across Stacey, he locked up going into corner 9, went off line, I went in like normal but we ended up at corner exit at the same time, I couldn't get around, was too late to make a change in line.
2nd race was better, with everyone having issues behind me, just trying to be consistent after that and not make a mistake.
Looking more forward to the ring with the crazy cars. I might be different and try the truck.

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Sorry Paul, you and I always seem to get together somehow

I kept to the right on the outside entrance to T9 trying to keep out of your way so you could catch Scott (...and I locked up a bit on the marbles because of it, but that didn't cause me to slide anywhere that I didn't want to go)


In hindsight I guess I should have let myself trackout into the pit lane entrance to stay away from the T9 exit, my bad

Stacy

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The fricton circle for my 911 Porsche resembles more of an oblong... I'm either trailbraking or accelerating while trying to get it to turn!

It was more bad timing, I went into the corner without slowing more than normal, I saw you out wide, but misjudged where you would end up, I knew right away once I turned in it would be close, hoping I would clear, but just ran out of space, we almost made it.
I should have slowed up a bit to allow us both room.

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Yes, it was great to see Stacy, Steve, and Weatherbee out with us again. Hope you guys get a chance to join us more often.

Apologies to Gay for the love tap on lap 1 of the second race. I should have backed up my braking point heading into Quebec corner. Avoidable incident. Hopefully it didn't cause you damage (didn't see any).

Overall a very fun evening. Also enjoyed the new tire sounds and buildup effects. The sim just keeps getting better and better.

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2008 EVO X MR

My issue with the second race was not Scott running into me, it was a spin on my part and after watching the replay I landed on top of a high spot in the grass. This caused the car to be high centered and I literally could not move from that spot.

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Brian
VP, AMP
#51 Vantage Motorsports

They should institute a 'rocking' functionality which makes your driver rock back and forth so you can try and teeter-totter your rear wheels back onto a flat surface

Funny...I thought it was you that was too ambitious trying to stay on the outside. I kept waiting for you to back out of it...but you didn't and well...it's slippery out there. I didn't realize that we touched. I thought you lost some time and we're still behind me, but then I realized it was someone else. Anyhow, it was fun. I finished fourth.

For the second race, I qualified 4th. The start went well and I stayed with the top three until Scott lost it. I couldn't avoid him and damaged the front end...pits...1 lap behind.

Again, another fun car and track combo. Nice to see Steve and Stacy join us.

I didn't realize that the update included the DX11. At first, I had no chat function. I could hear chat...and that's when I discovered some changes that occurred. I had to reconfigure the mic settings and I noticed my graphics settings were different.

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Jay Barthelotte

Jay, you are absolutely right that I was too ambitious going into the corner after the straight. I take full responsibility for flying off into the grass on that one. You had the line, and I was trying to hold on for dear life. Unfortunately, my grip ran out before my gusto

We had a small nudge about halfway between Moss corner and that turn, mostly because you were coming up the inside with the draft and I was trying to close the door. I think my perspective with the low res rear mirror might make me think there was less track there than it appeared. Either way, I apologize for sound condemnatory, I was aiming for playfully sarcastic. The whole thing was a racing incident, and if there was fault to give it was mine for coming over on you too much.

Hey! No worries! Glad that there is no hard feelings...which is nice with this group. This is all for fun and no one can get injured or incurr expenses from car damage. I have a hard time driving without G force input and the poor mirror and window visibility. If we were in real race cars, we'd both be a little more conservative! That's what makes iRacing so fun...realistic physics without any risks.

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I made it into the mid 7's at one point, still way off and very inconsistant. Glad I didn't ruin anybody's race lol. I certainly need to put some more laps in to try to catch up. Based on the race schedule I should be able to make the practice, qually and 1st race next week, and then bail out the door for hockey.

Ring V8 Part II results posted.

Congrats to Brian G and Ryan on the wins. Good that Brian W joined in again and to see Jim driving around in some old pickup.

Apologies for the late start for the first practice. Just seeing if you guys were paying attention. First race was quite eventful. Brian got through at the start and was pressuring Scott until he got around. Another wobble from Scott and I got by. Should have been just a matter of lapping after that but decided bouncing off some armco would make it more entertaining. Came out of the pits right beside Scott. He chased Paul and got around on the back straight. I should have done the same on the last lap but wanted to get around him to chase Scott. But it ended badly when Paul got a little loose and I spun in sympathy (I don't think we touched). Hobbled around to the finish with Jeff catching me in the final corners. Held him off by looking like I was going to crash by bouncing over the curbs.

Was leading briefly during the second race after Scott ran wide. Brian G was putting on lots of pressure. The track never looks wide enough for 2 cars but Brian always seems to find some room. I got it wrong on the uphill run through the sweepers, bounced off some armco and collected Brian. We both made it back to the pits with smoke rolling out from the engines. After the stop got to see Jim in his truck. Though I might catch Jeff but as we got to the final corners he copied my technique plus added bouncing off the armco for good measure.

More event timing issues last night. Suspect it added the 6 minutes to qualifying for the first race because it saw someone out on a good lap after the flag (and someone had set a time by that point), but why it didn't end the session after everyone stopped is puzzling. And John once again was camped out in his pit box. Surprised it wouldn't let me advance the session (it replied that it was already ending the session but waited for the timer to count down anyway). Despite starting the second race 5 minutes later we still ran out of time to get a lap in for the second qualify session (a repeat of qual 2 from 2 weeks ago). Will send off another email to iracing support but expect will need to leave even more time between the two races. Might try putting it ahead 15 minutes and if we end up getting in early can always end practice early to start qualifying for the second second race(ie. advance to qualifying once we get on the second server).

Indycars at Zandvoort next week then the Radical, Riley, Vette DP, HPD.

Interesting thing when I went to join the session...it wasn't there. I think it was only showing the Dallara race calendar. I had pre-selected the Impala and the Nurburgring for testing...still nothing. It was only when I pre-selected the Falcon...voila...there was the Nurburgring calendar. Once I selected the event, I was able to select my Impala. Funny though...when it loaded, the default car setup that I had used last time was failing tech. The ride height in the front was too high. So, I quickly adjusted my spring perches 5 positions then joined in late for qualifying. Unfortunately, I hadn't turned on iRacing since our last event (last week) so I was really rusty with the Impala around the 'Ring. After a bit though, I realized that the car had (somehow) changed...I think the big update ruined it a bit. The tire model was different as well. After 2 laps, the tires were done and I was struggling to keep it on the track. Did anyone else notice changes to their cars or the tire model?

Another issue I've been having is at the beginning of organized 'events'. My frame rate drops from the fixed 100 FPS...gets into the 50's...then the screen actually freezes for a half second. It's enough to cause me to either go off or crash (which happened after one of the race starts).

Since I hadn't practiced, I knew I wouldn't be up to speed right away, but the changes and issues really had an impact on my night. I'll have to go through my Graphics settings to see if the update changed anything.

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I had the same thing happen at the start between turns 1 & 2. It's a combination of things...

• That particular section of the track has always had a drop in FPS, I suspect because the GP track is in view when oriented in that direction.
• When you have a number of cars in close proximity, it affects FPS.
• More importantly, when you have a number of cars making contact or crashing, it has a big effect on FPS.
• Combine all of these things and your FPS takes a big hit. If it drops below 60 then you really notice it as you start to experience stutters / micro locks.

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2008 EVO X MR

Ken was a bit late getting the session up and going. He only makes them the week of, so that's why we only saw the Indycar schedule. He must still be recovering from the 12 Hour

The start of R1 was a bit of a mess, but just because we all got bunched up going down towards the first corner. I think I got into the back of Brian W. before being rear ended by Paul. It is a really tight track, and stuff like that just happens. The worst damage came when I nudged the Armco, and after the repairs I caught up to Jaynica Patrick and rear ended him. I swear, it wasn't intentional!

R2 went off a bit better. I sat still on the grid to let Paul through so I could avoid the first corner chaos. Then it was simply a case of hanging on to the back of Jeff and following him through the tangled mess of Paul, Ken and Brian before passing him on the straight. I took the lead after Scott pitted and them twirled around like a ballerina in turns 4-5. At that point I just took it easy and made sure I saw the checkered flag without having a wild make out session with the armco.

The first win always feels the best. Look forward to Zandvoort next week, and definitely with the prototypes the week after.

Congrats on the win Ryan!

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2008 EVO X MR

Last night was a bit of a mess! I missed qualifying, its always tight for me as I put my daughter to bed around 7:30, but this week the time change has her all messed up.
Anyway, they wrecked the late model, I read they "reduced" overall grip, they sure did, it went from a fun car, to a sliding mess, not only that, the tire wear seems worse!
Start was wacko, cars everywhere and everyone running into it other it looked like including me hitting Ryan, sorry about that.
Top 3 ran away, then Scott had issues, I got by him, and then Ken showed up out of nowhere, Scott got by on the back straight, by then my tires were completely gone, I was trying to stay ahead of Ken, got super loose, almost wreck loose, figured Ken would blow by me, but saw him backwards in the mirror, I guess he thought we should both lose it, only fair.
By now Scott was gone, only to all of a sudden appear again, nursing a damaged car I suspect as he wasn't looking too good.

Brian G was miles ahead for the win, I somehow ended up 2nd.

2nd Race was a nightmare, I grabbed the V8 Falcon, picked a random setup on sync, which was terrible. Tried to make some adjustments and still get out for a lap of qualifying, never getting one, then it ended anyway.
Car would not turn at all with this setup, did a partial lap, understeered into the Armco, and said f-it.

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It was a chaotic start, for sure. I don't blame you for smacking my car, there was no where for anyone to go once cars started spinning.

I think part of it was the track, because I found that even the Falcon was skirting around the track due to low grip. Two weeks ago I found there was very little tire degradation on the Falcon, but that did not hold true for this week. By lap 2 I had to be more cautious and brake more gently, though it was still better than the stock cars were faring.

I just found this thread... Change the affinity of iRacing to not use core zero via the Task Manager. Might help.
http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts ... 70649.page

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2008 EVO X MR

Thanks Scott. I did this before tonight's event, and I'll try it in practice this week at the Nordschleife. I guess the real test will be next week's race event!

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Turns out this is a legitimate bug. iRacing confirmed it and plan to release a fix in Thursday's patch. So it should no longer be an issue by the time we visit Nordschleife.

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2008 EVO X MR

Indy Zandvoort results posted.
Congrats to Scott and Trevor on the wins.

We probably should have used the high downforce setup on this track. Launching the car out of some of the slower corners was tricky. I was only using about half throttle in first gear and would only use full throttle after getting into 2nd. If anyone practices through the week and notices the medium setup is slippery let us know and we can switch to the high downforce setup.

One of my better starts. Stayed with Scott headed into T1 while the outside row fell back. That put Trevor and Paul behind me. I had one small wiggle on the first lap that was all Trevor needed to get by. Held station between Trevor and Paul for a few laps until the backend got away from me (was in first when thought was in 2nd) which let Brian G through. Chased Brian until the end but never got much closer than 2s.

The start of the second race was weird. Scott was hanging way back while Brian G had the outside row up close to the pace car. Scott didn't go until after the green so most of the outside row was well ahead before we gassed it. On top of that Jay pulled out from behind me to pass both Scott and I. Think the only ones behind Scott at the line was Brian W and me. Brian G got a black flag, but don't think anyone else did. Not our best start.

Watched Scott try to get around Jay until they had a coming together. I chased Jay for a lap until he had an issue with the curbs in Tlast (thought we might of touched because it was very close when he got out of shape). Caught Randy while was trying to hold off Scott. I got around but Scott took a few laps to get by Randy which opened up a gap. Once Scott did get by that gap stayed fairly steady with Trevor way out ahead.

Prototypes (Radical, Riley, Vette DP, HPD) at the Ring next week, then Indy at Road Atlanta. Have exchanged a few emails with iracing support but no answer for the 2nd qualifying ending suddenly. Will try moving the 2nd session 10 minutes later. If we get in early can always advance the practice session.

It was weird for sure.

I led the pace laps of both races using the exact same approach. Once the field reached the Audi "S" (turn #10), I turned on my pit limiter and held a constant speed (just a touch slower than the pace car) until I deemed fit to release the limiter and hammer down the straight.

In race 1, Trevor (P2) stayed inline until the race start. In race 2, Brian (P2) was naughty and drove way up ahead of the pole sitter...

https://d3bxz2vegbjddt.cloudfront.net/m ... 2.7.01.pdf

Quote:
5.6.3.4. Drivers shall not pass cars in their own pacing line on the left hand side before the start/finish line. Drivers attempting to improve their position by passing on the left-hand side before the start/finish line will be assessed a black flag Stop-and-Go penalty by Race Control. The leader of the second pace line may not pass the leader of the first pace line (pole position) before the start/finish line. Doing so will result in a black flag Stop-and-Go penalty.

... hence the black flag. I believe Jay got a black flag too for passing Ken before start/finish line. But Trevor & Randy were fine because they stayed in formation behind Brian. Brian was the sacrificial lamb to their benefit.


Actually, Jay & I never made contact. I just self spun. I actually spun twice in that race.

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2008 EVO X MR

I didn't receive a black flag. I didn't look at the replay, but I didn't think I made the pass before the start/finish line.

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Oh it was definitely before the start/finish line. It was before pit entrance.

I saw a black flag in your laps data, but maybe that was for something else like cutting the course. Perhaps the first portion of section 5.6.3.4 (referring to drivers not passing cars in their own pacing line before the start/finish line) is only enforced by live stewards (a.k.a. Race Control) and not automatically.

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I cut a corner a little too much...

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The 'ring with P-cars will be fun. Be interesting to see how the DP and P2 compare.
I haven't decided what to use yet. Anyone do any testing?
I suspect the P2 will be easier to drive, but DP might be faster.

I hated the car/track combo last night, so I bailed and hopped on my indoor bike sim instead.

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I was thinking of trying the Riley. The old DP was faster at most tracks when iracing ran them together in a series, but the Riley was much better in the twisty stuff. Don't have the HDP.


Is everyone else picturing a stationary bike in front of a computer screen? I'm sure there's more to it than that but never heard of such a thing.