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ATLANTIC REGION MOTOR SPORTS
2014 REGIONAL AUTOSLALOM #7
2014 ASCC CLUB AUTOSLALOM #8

Sept 7th, 2014


General: This event is being held under the ARMS 2014 SoloSport General Competition Rules. Copies of the ARMS SoloSport GCRs, entry forms are available at http://www.armsinc.ca. Any amendments to these Supplementary Regulations will be posted on the notice board at Registration on the day of the event. It is the responsibility of each competitor to check for and adhere to posted changes. There will be a minimum of four (4) timed runs offered to each entrant for each event. The organizers reserve the right to refuse any entry, modify the schedule, or cancel the event.

Sanction: This event is sanctioned by Atlantic Region Motor Sports Inc. (A.R.M.S.) and ASN Canada FIA Inc.

Organizing Club: Atlantic Sports Car Club.

Organizer: Joel Nelson & ASCC solo committee

Registration: Charlotte Partridge, Cathy Partridge and Krista Barron

Timing & Scoring: James Partridge, Charlotte Partridge, Cathy Partridge and Krista Barron

Tech: Trevor Gray

----------Entry Fees: $50 per driver ($25 Entry Fee + $25 AMP Competitor Fee)-------------

Cash Accepted. Cheques Payable to: "Atlantic Sports Car Club"
Please ensure that the appropriate preparation point schedule is filled in correctly.

Application through the paypal@ascc.ca is preferred. Registrations will be accepted on site with payment made in CASH or CHEQUE.

Pre-registration: Send registrations to: AMP Regional, c/o Atlantic Sports Car Club, P.O. Box 31120 Halifax, Nova Scotia B3K 5Y1. Make cheques payable to ASCC .

Entry Requirements:
· Drivers: Must have a valid Provincial driver’s license and a valid Club membership card from an ARMS-affiliated Club. Entrants who are not a member of an ARMS-affiliated Club, require a temporary membership for a fee of 5 CAD.
· All drivers MUST attend the driver's meeting at the scheduled time.
· Vehicles: Must conform to the vehicle eligibility requirements of the 2014 A.R.M.S. SoloSport GCRs. All vehicles (and driver's personal safety equipment) must be submitted to the Scrutineer and must successfully pass any and all inspections before registration is complete. It is the entrant’s responsibility to properly classify the vehicle and declare all modifications.
· Insurance Waiver Form: All drivers and crew must sign the Organizer's Insurance Waiver Form at Registration. Registration is not complete until this is done! Minors are required to sign a Minor Release Form and are required to show a properly signed Parental Consent Form (forms are available at http://www.asncanada.com).

Site Location: Atlantic Motorsport Park

Schedule:
Gates open:8:00
Volunteers asked to arrive:8:00 – 8:30
Registration:9:00 - 10:30
Scrutineering:9:00 - 10:30
Course Open for Walking:9:00
Driver’s Meeting:10:30
First Run:11:00


Results: Official results will will be posted on the ARMS web site.

ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS:
-All competitors are required to work the event. Qualified replacements may be used as substitutes in worker assignments. However, workers must notify the Chief of Course prior to the substitution. Failure to comply or properly perform assigned duties will result in additional work assignments or disqualification, as executed by the organizers.
-Course workers must be on their feet at all times while cars are competing.
-While on course, all competition vehicles MUST BE identified by a car number and appropriate car class which must be visible from the timing and scoring area. Cars not meeting this requirement will not be scored.
-Upon successfully completing scrutineering inspection, the Scrutineer will provide a mark to be fixed to the exterior of the car for the duration of the event in a place visible to the Starter (upper left corner of the windshield is recommended). Cars must show the Scrutineer’s official mark or they will not be allowed to enter the course.
-Items that fail scrutineering inspection (eg. old helmets) may be impounded, and will be returned after the completion of the event.
-Regardless of the results of the scrutineering inspection, the entrant/owner is fully responsibile for the safety and soundness of the vehicle and equipment, for full and complete disclosure of all modifications, and for properly classifying the vehicle.
-Cars will run in grouping of classes as determined at the Driver’s Meeting. For cars with two drivers there will be a minimum spacing of 5 minutes or 5 spaces.
-Cars must be presented to the starter in order and prior to starting time or forfeit that run (DNS). Exception: Drivers of cars with mechanical
difficulty shall have 10 minutes after the car is scheduled to start, to present the car at the start line. Grid personnel will verify the mechanical
difficulty, and will refer the request for a mechanical delay to the Chief Steward in cases where the competitor may gain an unfair advantage by delaying a run, for example changing weather conditions.
-Directional pylons (pylons which are laid on their side) are for informational purposes and do not count if hit. Directional pylons placed directly adjacent to a penalty pylon must be obeyed or a DNF will result. Directional pylons not adjacent to a penalty pylon are for informational
purposes only and do not result in a DNF if not followed. If a directional pylon displaces a penalty pylon, the pylon penalty will be assessed.
-A penalty will be assessed for each displaced course entry and exit pylon. The course may be lined on both sides, weather permitting. Crossing a line incurs no penalty.
-All entrants are expected to be responsible for their own garbage. Please clean up before you leave the site.
-A speed limit of 10 Km/h will be enforced at the event site including pre-grid and grid. Tire spins, rapid speed or direction changes, or other
"abnormal/unusual" driving techniques are strictly prohibited throughout the event site other than during competition.
-Children and pets are allowed anywhere on the event site EXCEPT during active competition. During active competition, children under 12 and pets are not allowed in the grid, staging and course areas. Pets must be leashed at all times.
-Drivers are responsible for the actions of their crew and guests. All must sign a waiver to be present in the pre-grid, grid, staging and course
areas. Waiver forms will be available at registration.
-Refueling of cars on site may be permitted only when accompanied by
an assistant and suitable fire extinguisher. Clean up any spills.
-All incidents involving injury and/or property damage occurring on the event site, or felt associated to the event will be reported as soon as
possible to the Organizers.
-Protests and Appeals shall be referred to the event Steward. Protests may be filed with the Steward and must be accompanied by the appropriate protest fee in cash, or traveler's checks.

Remember to bring extra clothes. AMP can have very different weather during throughout a day. A sweater and a rain jacket are a must. Sun block and maybe even a pair of mittens can be useful all on the same day.


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Just prepaid. Won't be missing this one.

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Should be a good event. AMP is always a blast.

We are hoping to do course setup saturday evening/night. I will post more info once i know for sure what going on. So we will be looking for volunteers for this.

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AFRA has the track booked for a lapping day on Saturday Sept 6th. Once they are finished for the day I don't see any problem with you guys heading out to setup the course. I will keep you posted if anything changes.

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I was hoping to see a post about you competing in this one Brian.


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You never know :twisted:

Maybe I need to convince Scott M that he needs a tire warmer!

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Naah, Ben, those race car guys don't want to be seen with us cone chasers :mrgreen:
(Just kidding! And trying to goad them into coming!)

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Hey, I've got low standards, i don't mind hanging with a bunch of cone chasers. I'll be there trying to catch Scott M.


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So, whos game for a little course set-up?

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im game for saturday night setup

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edit: nevermind, not sure if I can even be ready for this event now.

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Brian Gay wrote:
AFRA has the track booked for a lapping day on Saturday Sept 6th. Once they are finished for the day I don't see any problem with you guys heading out to setup the course. I will keep you posted if anything changes.


Just an FYI we're aiming to finish at 5pm. So course setup can begin after that. :)

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I've finally managed to talk a buddy of mine into sharing my car with me, but he is a little nervous and shy about it. Since he is a first timer, is it acceptable to ride along with him for his first couple runs?

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Mitchell Mahar-Simms wrote:
I've finally managed to talk a buddy of mine into sharing my car with me, but he is a little nervous and shy about it. Since he is a first timer, is it acceptable to ride along with him for his first couple runs?


I'm pretty sure ride along's are not allowed in Regionals, but you may be able to get permission from the Regional Slalom Director (Ming) if the runs are not counted.

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I believe you can go with him, his runs will just not be timed.


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I don't think they'll let you do it because it gives you an advantage to see the course during the runs
I suspect he would need a non-competitor for drive-alongs, or at least someone who isn't in the running for any awards :P

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Mike Pettipas wrote:
I don't think they'll let you do it because it gives you an advantage to see the course during the runs
I suspect he would need a non-competitor for drive-alongs, or at least someone who isn't in the running for any awards :P


YES and No. If all of your runs are done, then you can ride along if permitted by Ming. If you haven't run yet or still have runs to go, then no, you cant.

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Joel N wrote:
YES and No. If all of your runs are done, then you can ride along if permitted by Ming. If you haven't run yet or still have runs to go, then no, you cant.

Whoa there! That is a decision for the event organizer :wink:
I'm just there to make sure people follow the rules.


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We need to get this straight as I know of instances where people have had instructors run with them and their times have still counted. I personally can't see why it would matter if an "instructor" went with someone for their first event for even a couple runs.

Can we change this to acommodate ride alongs for someone's first event?

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Ahh I must have been thinking of the club events, I remember some conversations about it. This will be my first event in this class all year, so I wouldn't exactly be getting much of an advantage.

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Dev wrote:
We need to get this straight as I know of instances where people have had instructors run with them and their times have still counted. I personally can't see why it would matter if an "instructor" went with someone for their first event for even a couple runs.

Can we change this to acommodate ride alongs for someone's first event?


We certainly can - For regional events, we need make sure it is added to the rules at the AGM in the fall.

Edit - An other option is that, given what I would submit as an increased level of consequence for a novice having an issue at the AMP slalom, there are provisions for organizing clubs to add more restrictive conditions in the Supp Regs when it is in the effort to increase safety. Something that excludes a driver and instructor from the competition, but allows instruction would seem to be in the spirit of what most "students" would want.

That said, I won't be there. Too much going on. Would be fun though.

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It has been discussed before and the rules are pretty clear. ASN Autoslalom Regulations state:

3.3.10. Passengers
Passengers are NOT allowed during official runs of an event. However, passengers (as
per 4.1.2 below) and instructors are allowed during non-competition runs of an event.
Passengers are only allowed in the front, passenger seat.

4.1.2.
To be eligible to participate as a passenger, a person must:
d) Have the consent of the organizer;
e) Have signed the ASN Canada FIA General Waiver;
f) Wear personal safety equipment as required for the driver;
g) Keep hands and arms inside the vehicle at all times;
h) Not carry items such as food, drink, cameras, video recorders, purses, etc.


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Alright no worries, what about the club events? Only way he will come out and try it.. :x

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Mitchell Mahar-Simms wrote:
Alright no worries, what about the club events? Only way he will come out and try it.. :x

Would seem that all you need to do at any event is have the organizer declare that the runs where the passenger is on board are non- competition unofficial runs.

Based on Ming's post, there would seem to be nothing to stop him from running at a regional. Unless somewhere in the minutia there is a definition of an official run vs a non official one, and where and when they need to occur (Don't believe there is - I've looked). If a run counts towards competing in the event, then IMO it's official. The person could even run in a regular run order, the runs just would not count towards points. The time is not recorded.

So if the organizer says he can have an instructor during a run, then it is a non-official run.

A little innovative thinking, and realizing the intent of the rules was to avoid someone having an advantage, not to prescribe the exact when and where of autoslalom instruction is all that is needed.

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I would put this person in the second run group and have someone from the first run group ready to step in and go with him if the new guy so desires. At AMP there is a drive around first and that might be enough to take away any uncertainties from the new driver. My 2 cents. Nothing official. And I'm sorry if it isn't "the rule".
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Mitchell Mahar-Simms wrote:
Alright no worries, what about the club events? Only way he will come out and try it.. :x

The national regulations apply to all events including national, regional and club events.

This has nothing to do about trying to prevent the sport from growing. Not sure why someone mentioned it whenever this comes up. It's there to ensure fair competition for all. Part of the sport is about learning how to drive quickly though the course in a limited number of attempts. The regulation used to just state:

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Passengers are NOT allowed during official runs of an event.


That used to require some creative interpretation. I'm glad it has been clarified to the current definition and I'm personally fine with it as is. If someone needs help getting around the course, the organizer can assign someone to help instruct them. If you want a passenger, get approval from the organizer first.


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Now that this thread has transformed into a discussion on first-time drivers, I figured I'd share my opinion as someone fairly new to the sport.

I'd say the biggest hurdle for anybody getting into autocross is the anxiety of the first event (not knowing anybody and not wanting to look like a fool with a fancy sports car). I've tried to convince many car guys and gals to come out, but they all seem to shy away. Points and official run times are irrelevant to these people, and by throwing out a bunch of rules at them it'll just push them away. I'd say any first-timers should get to drive around with somebody knowledgeable, and just treat them as if they were at a test & tune.

Mitchell, I'd convince your friend to come out whether he drives or not! Our events are too infrequent to keep saying 'maybe next time'.

Now, to get back on topic... If it rains Sunday, does AMP suffer from the same fate as Scotia Speedworld in the wet? That is, likelihood of cancellation?


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I'd say the biggest hurdle for anybody getting into autocross is the anxiety of the first event (not knowing anybody and not wanting to look like a fool with a fancy sports car). I've tried to convince many car guys and gals to come out, but they all seem to shy away. Points and official run times are irrelevant to these people, and by throwing out a bunch of rules at them it'll just push them away. I'd say any first-timers should get to drive around with somebody knowledgeable, and just treat them as if they were at a test & tune.

I can agree with people being timid getting into their first event. I watched an event before signing up the week after. Not sure who's throwing rules at them. Most of the people that run the MMSC club events don't know about points or the rules. I posted the regulations above because someone asked. Not sure when answering a question was considered pushing them away. Anyone can get help if they want or need it. Doesn't even have to be their first time either. I stated as much in my last post. They just can't pull up to the line with anyone and say that's my instructor. That's a decision for the organizer.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:32 pm 
Unless something comes up, both Jenn and I are planning to run this weekend, if we can find the time to decipher the rule book and class the cars. I don't want to pre-register just in case we can't.

I'm a little gun-shy on that after one of the officials claiming "we don't throw rules at newbies" posted up in the thread about the last regional that if another newbie wasn't able to class their own car properly, Tech could and would disqualify them.

I haven't done a slalom competitively in 10 years, so, I'm pretty rusty on the ins and outs of the book.


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