Hey Dave, just have a few questions.
-Are the points from the Non-passing and Passing time attack the same and do they count for the events already run this year by ASCC?
-I cant find the rules for Passing time attack, Is a caged required? I thought it wasnt but just cant remember.
-Will it be half-price for any racer thats registered for the race on the 22? ASCC did this and its the only reason 3 or 4 of us ran in the last one and 4 of us in the first one.
-How long is racecar practice and will we need marshals? $100 is alot for racers that are paying $380 the next day.
-If i run passing time attack will that include morning lapping, as moring non-passing time attack includes afternoon lapping.

I know you have more info coming up soon, and if the info to these questions are there that would be great. Thanks again.

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ARMS Race Director. Race@armsinc.ca

I'll answer what I can.....



That question should be directed to the ASCC Solo Director, it's ultimately up-to ASCC whether the points earned in this event are transferable to ASCC's Time Attacks.



ASN Canada Time Attack Regulations
http://asncanada.com/2013-SoloSport/ASN ... ations.pdf
(A quick glance on my iPhone doesn't show any difference in safety equipment between TAwoP and TAwP)

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This event was/is planned without any help/acknowledgement of the ASCC Solo Director. Just to be clear. When I called Dave Hull last week when he posted something about an upcoming event to find out what's up, he said that ARMS was organizing this. So, as far as I know, ASCC has nothing to do with this, and possibly 4 events with this "all of a sudden without any talk, to me anyways" Time Attack with passing. I feel completely left in the dark here as solo director, especially if ASCC is to be organizing this "fiasco of a day". Holy cow, this will be a busy day, and lot's of money changing hands if this is going to go as planned.

Well, I am just happy there is another time attack

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This will be on the agenda for the next ASCC exec meeting. My initial feeling (as part of the executive) is that if the event(s) were to count, it should only be the non-passing event. Personally speaking, if I were involved in the time attacks this year (which I am not) I would not be participating in a passing event unless I was in a caged car.

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Right on guys. I dont fully understand why there will be both versions but i am fine with eather. 1 hour Qualifing and only 1 30min timed run for $200? dont fully think thats right. I thought it should be atleast 2 30 min times runs. I like the idea on having a 30min timed session because you arnt rushed and you can have some fun tring new lines and so on, but I personlly dont feel safe running around with some people on lapping days. Could only guess at what they would do with a car outside of them in 8 going 140KPH. Fully understand.

Maybe theres some other reason for the Passing session? lol.

I dont even know if i can run this event. Wont be able to at full price I know that. But at the half price for racers id seriously look into it.

Thanks again guys.

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Only passing in designated areas, according to the rules I read. So, not wherever you catch the car at, which would throw away that lap anyways. But, that could always be changed I guess.






I'm in the same boat. Atleast with it being an ARMS run event it won't count for the ASCC championship. But hey, it's a track day!

For those who haven't read the rules on the With Passing Time Attack, they are run as timed sessions of as many laps as can be completed by the cars, vice the fixed number of laps in the non-passing version. Total number of cars on track and other requirements are laid out in the rules.

I don't believe a With Passing event has been held in recent memory. It will be a new experience for many involved.

A thorough read of the rules at the link Jason posted will answer most questions.

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2007 Mustang GT
Kentville

If I want to do both the non passing and passing sessions, how much would that be?

$200 + $160 = $360, + Transponder rental, 20 (x2?), between $380- $400 by my calculations on here. No deals. But, you can lap in the spare time between Time Attacks at no extra charge.

*Not official at all, just reading Dave's comments and deciphering from that.

Man, I'm confused. This doesn't sound anything like those events I did earlier.

Does a time attack with passing = a free-for-all track day, but with official timing to pick a winner? That seems a bit out of character with normal procedures at AMP, but might be loads of fun for someone who had done a bunch of "normal" days and wanted to end the season off with something a bit more competitive.

I'm also guessing (from the costs involved, even to do a few laps of practice) that the organizers of this event really want race cars to stay away. Hey, no problem, I get the hint. But are we going to be allowed to park in the paddock any time Saturday, if we want to get set up early for the Sunday's race?

Count me in for non-passing/lapping. Definitely not comfortable enough to do a passing event, and close to 400 for one day is a bit much for me.

Where is the 3rd passing zone? I assume the usual front/back straights are the first 2 zones.

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In my view, the Time Attack w/ passing is no different than a lapping day. You cannot pass the car in front unless they wave you by first, and only in the designated passing zones.

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That is correct, we've never had the technology to do a Time Attack with Passing before.
There has been some talk about changing the format/scoring of the TAwP (in an effort to make it more interesting/competitive), IE make it an average of 5 laps in a row instead of outright fastest lap; make it an average of your 3 best laps, etc

Thoughts?

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Guys, you need to read the rules to understand how a With Passing event works. It's not a free for all.

There are very specific procedures, and the rules call for a mandatory"download session" at the end of each run group to discuss how it went. Definitely a tighter processes than what many have seen before.

I suspect the third passing zone will be between turn three and four.

As for costs, no one is trying to keep anyone away. There are costs, and you need to pay to play.

I think it will be a really interesting day. There will be some cars there that some folks haven't seen on track before. I hope everyone comes out to participate or help out in whatever way they can.

See everyone there!

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2007 Mustang GT
Kentville

First time attack so I'd rather just do the other event and not deal with that. Some people might like it, but I'd rather not have to worry about cars behind me while trying to put down a good lap. And to be blunt even with my very limited lapping experience I've had some issues with people in higher HP cars point me by and not slow down. I'm sure the time attack will be more closely policed for that but again, when I have the option I'll just go with no passing.

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Except that on a lapping day you are not supposed to be running at 100% ..........for a TA you might be.

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The only place I run 100% is on iRacing, where repairs are free.

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You only run 100% there because its the only place you run now!!!!!!!!!!
WERE HAVE YOU BEEN?????????
WE MISS THE TALON AND ITS CRAZY OWNER!!!!!

Ive been watching mostly time attacks from the states. No point by passing and open track. (pass anywere). One video even had a formula car running with street cars. Was nuts to see how much ground the formula car made on the street cars. We think the DQ Vette closed in on cars fast, try what looks like a Formula BMW. Thats why i had it in my head for passing everywere. Make sence to have marked passing zones, ill have to read the rules for it someday. Should have a better understanding.

I feel the Passing Time attack will be the norm in a year or 2. Just a matter of time till we started to run them. They look like a lot more fun the just 3 hot laps. 4 times.

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RR-1995 Honda DelSol VTEC GT4
2009 Canadian Solosprint Champion.
ARMS Race Director. Race@armsinc.ca

YAY!!!!!!!!

I'm gonna try to do both.

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ARRCA will be concluding it's day at 1700hrs.

Sorry to all in involved, but when we were contacted about this event, it was under that condition that we agreed.

ARRCA Marshals spend a good amount of time on stands during the year, and on several occasions this year we have been far later than is reasonable for fatigue. This has negatively impacted our ability to staff events on occasion.
Attracting workers for our level of pay on a non raceday has been increasingly difficult this year, and we are trying to avoid burnout.

Regrets, and if Jeff or Nate would care to add or adjust this, that is fine.

I look forward to seeing everyone trackside.

-I

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Just wanted to check to see who is putting this on so I can pay online.thanks

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All of a sudden I hate my job! Have fun guys and be safe. See you next year.

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I just tried to pay for the event with paypal and it would not recognize treasure@armsinc.ca, and would not let my payment go thru. Any suggestions?

Problem fixed. Typo error on my part. Oops.

Just finished putting in new pads/rotors + fresh fluid in the moonlight. Need to bed the pads in tomorrow morning before I get to the track, pretty excited for this.

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'99 BMW M3 / "Elvic"

Hi all,
Quick question about costs. I recall that at the HPDS it was mentioned that those who are doing this their first year have a discounted cost of $100 for time attack/lapping. Would you please clarify this and what the costs would be for this Saturday for first years?

Thanks,
Nick

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This thread is for a time attack that happened last year...

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Still a very relevant question that I would love to hear an answer to before I register today!

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