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Brent O'Connor
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Most significant changes I noted are that harnesses other than OEM now expire based on defined cycles. (SFI 2 year FIA 5 year - read the rules for the fine print)
Changes also removed non OEM style DOT approved harnesses from eligibility.

Rules are on the ASN site here http://www.asncanada.com/2015_SoloSport/2015-ASN-Time-Attack-Regulations.pdf for Time Attack and here http://www.asncanada.com/2015_SoloSport/2015-ASN-National-Lapping-Regulations-June6.pdf for lapping.

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The time attack regs state that a 4pt (most are DOT) is still allowed.

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1.3 Applicable to vehicles with three-point and four-point aftermarket harnesses:
i) Three-point and four-point harnesses shall not be used in a vehicle with a roll cage.
ii) An aftermarket harness shall be acceptable only after a copy of the relevant documentation has been
confirmed by scrutineering, e.g., manufacturers': installation instructions, homologations, model/yearspecific
information if applicable, etc.


I know with the Schroth I have it states what cars are "approved".

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Scott Montgomerie wrote:
The time attack regs state that a 4pt (most are DOT) is still allowed.

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1.3 Applicable to vehicles with three-point and four-point aftermarket harnesses:
i) Three-point and four-point harnesses shall not be used in a vehicle with a roll cage.
ii) An aftermarket harness shall be acceptable only after a copy of the relevant documentation has been
confirmed by scrutineering, e.g., manufacturers': installation instructions, homologations, model/yearspecific
information if applicable, etc.


I know with the Schroth I have it states what cars are "approved".


Next two sections are what I first read as making DOT harnesses illegal, but perhaps not

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When a safety harness (2 lap straps, 2 shoulder straps and 1 or 2 crotch strap/straps) is used, it
must meet one of the following standards:
a) FIA Standard 8853-98
b) SFI 16.1
c) SFI 16.5


Except the para it is in is supposed to be about 3 and 4 strap systems. So based on this, would a 4 strap Schroth be legit, but adding a sub strap would make it need to comply with the three standards and expiry dates? I can't even tell anymore. Wish people who knew how to read rules also wrote them. Including para 1.3 iii and iv in the section discussing 3 and 4 strap systems confuses it more.

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Brent O'Connor wrote:
Scott Montgomerie wrote:
The time attack regs state that a 4pt (most are DOT) is still allowed.

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1.3 Applicable to vehicles with three-point and four-point aftermarket harnesses:
i) Three-point and four-point harnesses shall not be used in a vehicle with a roll cage.
ii) An aftermarket harness shall be acceptable only after a copy of the relevant documentation has been
confirmed by scrutineering, e.g., manufacturers': installation instructions, homologations, model/yearspecific
information if applicable, etc.


I know with the Schroth I have it states what cars are "approved".


Next two sections are what I first read as making DOT harnesses illegal, but perhaps not

Quote:
When a safety harness (2 lap straps, 2 shoulder straps and 1 or 2 crotch strap/straps) is used, it
must meet one of the following standards:
a) FIA Standard 8853-98
b) SFI 16.1
c) SFI 16.5


Except the para it is in is supposed to be about 3 and 4 strap systems. So based on this, would a 4 strap Schroth be legit, but adding a sub strap would make it need to comply with the three standards and expiry dates? I can't even tell anymore. Wish people who knew how to read rules also wrote them. Including para 1.3 iii and iv in the section discussing 3 and 4 strap systems confuses it more.



I think I'm reading it the same as you, Brent. 3/4 points are fine as long as there's no cage and there is paperwork. 5/6 points need a cert/expiry. Kinda makes sense since I'm thinking Schroth makes the only 4 point that has homologation paperwork. It has an anti-sub feature but that feature makes it dangerous for roll-cage installations.

They could have probably worded it a bit better, but rules and specs are always worded in the worst way possible.

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My guess is they were trying to remove DOT harnesses and enforce expiry dates, but screwed up the wording. Regardless, interpretation is not easy.

I was looking at the Schroth FIA approved four point for my Subaru. If you add a different buckle, it gets DOT approval as well. (DOT requires a reddish rectangular push button labeled "PRESS" for street use).

I do hope they re word this section. If the para is about how to use three and four point harnesses, then the five and six point wording should be removed.

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