Thanks to mob rule this series will be postponed until after the Holidays..... Bah Humbug... er .... Merry Christmas!

2012 now starts off with a 5 night 600pp "GT5 Classic American Muscle Car Series"!


Recommended cars are:
Dodge Challenger R/T RM '70 (Stock RM Specs: 472HP 513ft/lbs 1260kg 562pp)
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM '69 (Stock RM Specs: 322HP 307ft/lbs 1085kg 514pp)
(Both can be modified to 600pp)
Permitted but not recommended:
Ford Mustang Mach 1 '71 (Can not be Race Modified, but is permitted in this series)

Tuning Restrictions:
600pp


Event Settings:
-Grid Start with False Start Check
-Grid Order: Slowest First
-Visible Damage: Off
-Penalty: none
-Race Finish Delay: 90 Seconds
-Mechanical Damage: Light
-Slipstream Strength: Low
-Tire Wear / Fuel Consumption: On
-Grip Reduction on Wet Track / Track Edge: Real
-No ASM
-No Skid Recovery Force
-No Active Steering
-No Tire Restictions

Point structure for the GT5 Classic American Muscle Car Series:

1st 16
2nd 15
3rd 14
4th 13
5th 12
6th 11
7th 10
8th 9
9th 8
10th 7
11th 6
12th 5
13th 4
14th 3
15th 2
16th 1


Bluetooth Headsets Strongly Recommended!
I can't stress that enough! Any Bluetooth headset will work, just make sure to pair it with your PS3. Futureshop has a good selection as well.


Schedule and Tracks
5 nights, 2 races per night. Each race will be 20 laps.


Thursday Jan 5th - 8pm
Grand Valley Speedway Reverse
Indianapolis Motor Speedway Road Course

Sunday Jan 8th - 8pm
High Speed Ring
Daytona International Speedway Road Course

Thursday Jan 12th - 8pm
Tokyo Route 246 Reverse
Route 5 Clubman Stage (Night)

Sunday Jan 15th - 8pm
Cape Ring North
Nurburgring GP/D

Thursday Jan 19th - 9pm
Deep Forest Raceway Reverse
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca


Please provide your car # and livery (body/rims) below.
EG #99 White/Black
First come first serve!


Any questions please let me know.

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"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."-William Gibson
1989 Van Diemen - Formula 2000 Continental

#26 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM '69 - Dark Metallic Blue


In my testing I fully upgraded both cars (except I didn't so Engine Stage 3 on the Dodge).

The Chevy tops out at just over 600pp while the Dodge is much higher (around 650pp I believe).

I used 200kg to the Dodge (which is the max ballast) and reduced the rear aero to 25), then I reduced the engine power. It still has way more than 100hp and torque over the Chevy, but is nearly 400kg heavier.... and you can feel it.

I tested two tracks, the TGTT and the HSR.
I figured the Chevy would be quickest on the TGTT and slower on the HSR but actually it was reversed. Both times after doing 5 laps with each car on each track were within 0.2 seconds. The Dodge was faster on the TGTT but the Chevy was quicker on HSR.... not what I was expecting.

I will say the higher HP and TRQ and weight of the Dodge makes it a real handful, while the Chevy was pretty easy to control. In the right hands and if you could learn the "tame the beast" I think the Dodge will be quicker.

Both were used with the default suspension setups. Tweaking will make them faster, but not by much. The default settings on both cars felt good.

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"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."-William Gibson
1989 Van Diemen - Formula 2000 Continental

I'm going to do some testing over the next couple of days, but I'm pretty sure I'll be going with the Camaro. I have 2 of them, and seeing as how there is a pile of blue ones, I'll go with the same scheme as the Lotus.

Black car, red rims, # 13.

If I could change the decals on the cars, I'd be running the 69 Penske Sunoco #6 car, my all time favorite race car. One hell of a history of cheating, dominating and never getting caught haha. Not really the place to ramble on about the history of that racing team here, but I highly recommend anyone to look it up!!

Gotta add a Ford!

There is a 71 Mustang...

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Paul

I couldn't figure out why you can RM the Challenger and the Camaro but not the Mustang. Love the game, but it's way to easy to tell that it is not based towards a North American audience.

x2

You can't RM the Mustang, but if you'd like to run it feel free.
Can it be brought to 600pp?

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"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."-William Gibson
1989 Van Diemen - Formula 2000 Continental

I was playing with it earlier, and you have to take some power out of it to hit the 600, or run weight. It's a heavy old girl, but at 600 here is the specs I have it at;
714hp @ 5400rpm
808ft-lb @ 4400rpm
1465kg
2.02kg/hp

I can run similar times with it at Daytona Road Course, but it is a REAL handful with a controller, on the other hand I have the Camaro at the point where I used it to get gold in the drift tournaments on comfort soft tires, it's that controllable. If you are allowing any american muscle car that will hit 600pp, there are others, but IMO anyone who runs anything other than the Dodge and Chevy RM cars would be at a huge disadvantage. So, everyone else, grab one of them!! I need all the help I can get!!

Interesting, thanks for the tests Jason.

BTW what other Premium American Classic Muscle cars would you suggest?

I don't want to allow Standard (used cars) because of their random availability.

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"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."-William Gibson
1989 Van Diemen - Formula 2000 Continental

The other premium "muscle" cars are;

1969 Chevrolet Corvette
1966 Shelby AC Cobra 427
1960 Art Morrison Corvette (SEMA car)
1970 Ford Mustang Trans-Cammer (SEMA car)

Other than the Trans Cammer Mustang, they are not technically muscle cars, but neither are the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. They were considered Pony cars, and the Chevelles, GTO's, Chargers, etc were the true muscle cars.

Ok excluding the SEMA cars, can the 1969 Chevrolet Corvette & 1966 Shelby AC Cobra 427 make 600pp?

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"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."-William Gibson
1989 Van Diemen - Formula 2000 Continental

I just built them up and the Vette tops out at 561 and the Cobra at 585. The cobra has 708hp and only weighs in at 918kg, so I would think it'd run with the 600's no problem. The only thing is that body mods are not allowed on that car, so you cannot even get any rear downforce. IMO keep the RM cars, or run a series with the same cars, but no RM allowed. I prefer the RM.

Hmmm...bought everything I could find...

Premium Cars;

Shelby Cobra 427 - 1966
Chev Camarao Z26 - 1969
Chev Corvette C3 - 1969
Dodge Challenger R/T - 1970
Ford Mustang Mach 1 - 1971

Standard Cars:

Corvette Z06 (C2) Race car - 1963
Pontiac Tempest Lemans GTO - 1964
Dodge Charger Super Bee 426 Hemi - 1971
Plymouth Cuda 440 Six Pack - 1971
Shelby GT350R - 1965

I am sure that Scott with the 1000 + cars has more...!

Damn...we could do the CAN/AM series !!!


Plus a few more from online source...

S Chevrolet Camaro SS ’69
P/S Chevrolet Camaro Z28 ’69
P Chevrolet Camaro Z28 RM ’69
S Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 ’70
S Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) ’63
P Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3) ’69
S Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) ’69
S Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car ’63
P Dodge Challenger R/T RM ’70
S Plymouth Superbird ’70

One of the shops I worked at back in the day had a client who owns the original #6 that Donohue drove to the 69 Trans Am championship. He also owned the Posey Challenger and the Swede Savage AMC Javelin. We also had a couple other clients with vintage TA cars, Gurney Challenger, Jones Mustang etc. They basically had the entire field under one roof. They were pretty cool, but man they were getting soft. Too much 'thinning' of the sheet metal.

Did he have the '68 that they put 69 trim on to fake into the 69 series, or did they have the full weight 69 that they used to qualify both cars?? They were told never to bring the 68 back, so they put on 69 trim, and used a full weight 69 running under both numbers (they would change the numbers in the shop or in the trailer) to qualify!

I would have loved to see that collection!! That era is my all time high when it comes to racing.

Here's a link to a pile of photos of it. They were cool and all, but I was buried deep in World Challenge cars at the time and really didn't have enough time to appreciate it and the history around them.

http://canepa.com/inventory/racecar_1/P ... index.html

I worked at the shop in 04-06, a short while after I left it was heavily damaged at a historic race. It was completely restored for the photos that are in that link. As far as which chassis it was, the history said it was the 69 championship winner, built prior to the 69 season. For what its worth, it was pretty well known around the track that it was THE car.

Man I love that car. I love the interior shots, top level safety was a little more, shall we say, roomy, back then!! I would love to see that car up close someday.

Holy crap, they've got the Smokey Yunick Chevelle too!! Yunick is one of my automotive heroes...

.... 1969 Shelby Trans Am Mustang Boss 302 ....

Did you look at the attention to detail on that restoration..."suffer'en Jesus"

May have to get my ass down to that place and take some serious pictures of those cars!!

This will be my car:

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2003 Buell Firebolt XB9R 1:19.6 around AMP Shubenacadie.
2009 Yamaha R1 1:21.7 around AMP Shubenacadie.

Anyone going to run the Dodge?

Good question....I will have to see which one looks better in Yellow.

I've got both of mine painted up and ready to go!! With all the testing I've done, I like the Dodge being at 50/50 weight balance, and I find it better at braking and through mid turn. They are both equal, with MAYBE a slight edge to the Dodge, down the straight, and the Camaro is better on exit. I think the Dodge may be the car with more potential, but the Camaro is more user friendly out of the box.

Hmmm...all painted and ready to go...

Camaro 589PP

548HP
533Ft Lb
1194KG @ 50/50 WD


Dodge 600PP

632HP
707Ft Lb
1260KG @ 50/50 WD

Ford Mach 1 600PP

712HP
806 FT Lb
1406 Kg @ 50/50 WD

I don't have any weight added to the Camaro, still at 55/45 (?) and it handles great, and I'm right at 600pp. I'm going to be on for a while today testing, if anyone sees me in the lounge, feel free to drop in!

*EDIT* Camaro is at 565hp, 1105kg, 20kg of ballast

I'll be on shortly but it will be to test a new set up on the Lotus for tonight...

To all those wondering...I just got around to responding to the friends requests...sorry!

hehe, in all my excitement to start the Muscle car series, I forgot we even still had a race night left with the Lotus! I'd better run it for a while today myself, just to get used to it again!!

Hmmm...managed a 116.027 on the Deep forest reverse track...some major tweaking got me down from a 118.338.

How does that compare to you front runners?

In the Lotus, or Muscle Cars? Hehe, you said front runners, why am I replying!!

In the Lotus...and you run "in front" of me....

Hmmm...."I suppose everyone runs in front of me"..

yeah, I'm running a bottom 1:16, might be able to eek out a few more tenths if I was able to get a consistent good lap in, I'll be a bit faster in one section, then lose it a bit in the next from pushing to hard...

...in a 15 lap race it looks like the best I can do is 116.858...

...now I just need to learn to relax while I'm racing....