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Author:  Jason Smith [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  GT5 - Lotus Cup Championship
Hello all,

Upping the PP a bit we will be moving forward with a 5 night "GT5 Lotus Cup Championship" that will take us up to the Holidays!
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Permitted cars are:
Lotus Elise 111R RM '04
Lotus Elise RM '96

Tuning Restrictions:
555pp
Racing Hard Tires

Event Settings:
-Grid Start with False Start Check
-Grid Order: Slowest First
-Visible Damage: Off
-Penalty: none
-Race Finish Delay: 90 Seconds
-Mechanical Damage: Light
-Slipstream Strength: Low
-Tire Wear / Fuel Consumption: On
-Grip Reduction on Wet Track / Track Edge: Real
-No ASM
-No Skid Recovery Force
-No Active Steering

Point structure for the GT5 Lotus Cup Championship:

1st 50
2nd 42
3rd 35
4th 29
5th 24
6th 20
7th 17
8th 15
9th 14
10th 13
11th 12
12th 11
13th 10
14th 9
15th 8
16th 7


Bluetooth Headsets Strongly Recommended!
I can't stress that enough! Any Bluetooth headset will work, just make sure to pair it with your PS3. Futureshop has a good selection as well.


Schedule and Tracks
5 nights, 2 races per night. Each race will be 15 laps.


Sunday Dec 4th - 8pm
Tsukuba Circuit - 15 Laps
Cape Ring North - 15 Laps


Thursday Dec 8th - 9pm
Nurburgring GP/D - 15 Laps
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - 15 Laps


Sunday Dec 11th - 8pm
Eiger Nordwand Short Track - 15 Laps
Suzuka Circuit East Course - 15 Laps


Thursday Dec 15th - 9pm
Tokyo Route 246 Reverse - 15 Laps
Autumn Ring Mini - 15 Laps


Sunday Dec 18th - 8pm
Deep Forest Raceway Reverse - 15 Laps
London - 15 Laps


Please provide your car # and livery (body/rims) below.
EG #99 White/Black
First come first serve!


Any questions please let me know.
Author:  Jason Smith [ Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:28 pm ]
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I tested both cars... I found neither braked as well as I would have expected (given their weight), and the '96 didn't like to turn in as well as the '04.

On Tsukuba both cars were easily within a second of each other, however I preferred the '04.

#26 - 111R '04 - Lotus Racing Green / Lotus Yellow
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Author:  Scott McIntyre [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:14 am ]
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I couldn't decide which car to use so I prepared them both!

    Lotus Elise RM '96
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    Lotus Elise 111R RM '04
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After practicing with both, I found that the '96 was very tail-happy under braking but controllable under acceleration, whereas the the '04 was the opposite; stable under braking but tail happy under acceleration. Some tuning can help rein-in those negative traits though.

I did about a dozen laps around Tsukuba in the '96 first and managed to get down to a 59sec lap. Then I hoped in the '04 and immediately got a 56 sec lap; 3 seconds faster! Both cars were at 542pp and had nearly identical setups. guess which one I'll be using? ;)
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:42 pm ]
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I'm taking yellow with blue wheels and number 45....

pictures to follow.


.....OH YEAH....


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Author:  Jason Blanchard [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:50 pm ]
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I have both them already, but I'm in the middle of a 24hr race in Bspec right now, so I'll let you know later which one I choose, but I'll be #13 for sure!!
Author:  Jason Smith [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:58 pm ]
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Did some more testing tonight and decided to up the PP limit to 555.
I tested on the Eiger Nordwand Short Track and despite that turn/dip at the bottom of the twisty hill, the car never once wanted to snap on me.

Stock suspension settings, S3 Turbo... just added weight to the front.

Best time was a 1:04.9 after 4 laps.
Author:  Craig Martin [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:24 am ]
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Excellent, I'm digging out the light blue 111R I used in the RM series.
Author:  Varga Aghdasi [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:08 am ]
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I will be using the Lotus Elise 111R RM '04

#9, Vincentq4

Allow me to introduce my little KIWI. He likes playing PEEK-a-Booo around corners.

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Author:  Jason Smith [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:10 am ]
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Again this series will take us right up until the holidays...
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Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:35 am ]
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Jason Smith wrote:
Did some more testing tonight and decided to up the PP limit to 555.
I tested on the Eiger Nordwand Short Track and despite that turn/dip at the bottom of the twisty hill, the car never once wanted to snap on me.

Stock suspension settings, S3 Turbo... just added weight to the front.

Best time was a 1:04.9 after 4 laps.


Testing the RM 96 on the Eiger track and I can only get a 109.091 and she's a handfull at that...bummer as I like the look of the car.

Time to drag out the 111R RM 04 and see what happens...
Author:  Jason Smith [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:38 am ]
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It would appear that the '04 is the car to have... however I do agree with you Kevin, I think the '96 is slightly better looking.

BTW Kevin even your GT5 photos look fantastic!
Where'd you snap that at? Outside Hanger 7?
Must have snapped it quickly, because it gets dark there VERY fast (under 1min IIRC)!
Author:  Jason Blanchard [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:51 pm ]
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Black car, red rims, #13, 111R RM '04.
Is it weird that the dip in the power curve bothers the hell out of me?? I like the power curve and the numbers much better on the '96, but the '04 seems to have a better settled chassis.
I have the '96 numbered and painted to match, and reserve the right to change cars up to the first race!!
Author:  Scott McIntyre [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:02 pm ]
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Yeah, it's weird... The '96 looks better on paper (and pictures), but for some reason the '04 is faster & easier to drive. Oh well.
Author:  Jason Blanchard [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:22 pm ]
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I'm actually now pulling better lap times around Tsukuba with the 96 after messing around with the diff setting to settle the car down under acceleration, but the 04 is still the harder pulling car. I don't know, I'm going to have to run as many practice laps as possible before then and pick one.

As a side note, we should do a rain race, just to throw a bit more challenge into it, plus racing in the rain is fun!!
Author:  Jason Smith [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:43 pm ]
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Scott McIntyre wrote:
Yeah, it's weird... The '96 looks better on paper (and pictures), but for some reason the '04 is faster & easier to drive. Oh well.

x2

Jason Blanchard wrote:
As a side note, we should do a rain race, just to throw a bit more challenge into it, plus racing in the rain is fun!!

:roll: I agree and believe me I tried... some people *cough* Steve *cough* only like to race in the dry.
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:53 pm ]
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I took the 111R RM 04 for a few runs and it's 3 seconds quicker then the 96...but it wears the tires down faster ?
The 6 speed on the 04 is a much nicer tranny then the 5 on the 96...gonna take some noggen rubben to figure dis out ??? :wink:

Jason I took the picture at the Red Bull air field out back on a runway and I had to wait for the proper lighting to come around and the avatar to stop figgeting...sheeesh! :roll:
Author:  Jason Smith [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:55 pm ]
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Kevin Doubleday wrote:
Jason I took the picture at the Red Bull air field out back on a runway and I had to wait for the proper lighting to come around and the avatar to stop figgeting...sheeesh! :roll:


So wait... did it become light again? (after the darkness)?
How long did that take? LOL
Author:  Jason Blanchard [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:10 pm ]
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I also think that the extra speed is in the gear splits of the 6 speed. I have 15ft-lbs more torque, 12 less HP and almost 40 less KG in the 96, and on a track like Tsukuba I'm running near identical times, but then on Cape ring, the 04 is 2 secs a lap faster.
Author:  Jason Smith [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:17 pm ]
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Jason Blanchard wrote:
Is it weird that the dip in the power curve bothers the hell out of me?? I like the power curve and the numbers much better on the '96, but the '04 seems to have a better settled chassis.
I have the '96 numbered and painted to match, and reserve the right to change cars up to the first race!!


No the dip bothers me as well.


Jason Blanchard wrote:
I also think that the extra speed is in the gear splits of the 6 speed. I have 15ft-lbs more torque, 12 less HP and almost 40 less KG in the 96, and on a track like Tsukuba I'm running near identical times, but then on Cape ring, the 04 is 2 secs a lap faster.


I found the same thing, at Tsukuba I'm running near identical times (although the '04 is the faster car because it better suits my driving style).

Haven't tried it on a high speed track, but the "High Speed Ring" would be a good test.... or just grab an oval like Indy.
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:55 pm ]
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Jason Smith wrote:
Kevin Doubleday wrote:
Jason I took the picture at the Red Bull air field out back on a runway and I had to wait for the proper lighting to come around and the avatar to stop figgeting...sheeesh! :roll:


So wait... did it become light again? (after the darkness)?
How long did that take? LOL


Yes it does become light again after the dark...but it's going to be a while so grab a drink first. I did the positioning and camera set up while I was waiting.

I took another 1.3 seconds off my time in the 111R RM but I can't get the 96 to pull hard enough up those hills...bummer!!
Author:  Varga Aghdasi [ Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:34 pm ]
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I like the two race evenings for the points!!

This leaves time for shenanigans!!

Snowhere rallies? with Nascars?
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:48 am ]
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I decided to purchase both cars again and try building them up to see if I could get the 96 to pull harder and it worked...the only problem was that it became very unstable and at that point I gave up.

I tried a "Very" aggressive LSD set up on the 111R to see if I could lower my times and I ended up wearing the rear tires off the car in 6 laps on the Eiger short track... 8O

I think the 111R's drive train is just better suited to the car....now if they would just allow a supercharger to be installed. :twisted:

PS. I tried to jamb the 6 speed into the 96 model but no amount of money would allow that to happen...bummer!
Author:  Jason Smith [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:50 am ]
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Kevin Doubleday wrote:
I tried a "Very" aggressive LSD set up on the 111R to see if I could lower my times and I ended up wearing the rear tires off the car in 6 laps on the Eiger short track... 8O

I think the 111R's drive train is just better suited to the car....now if they would just allow a supercharger to be installed. :twisted:


What were your LSD settings?
I normally use 10/20/10 (normally 1/2 of what the default values are)

And yea, I found it really weird the SC isn't permitted when IRL (correct me if I'm wrong) it's one of the most popular upgrades to that Toyota engine.
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:58 am ]
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LSD set up 17/25/10 and with the rest of the set up just destroyed my rear tires.

"Settings:

Body/Chassis

Aerodynamics

Downforce: 20/45


Transmission

Transmission 1st:-- 3.375 2nd:-- 2.301 3rd:-- 1.693 4th:-- 1.305 5th:-- 1.054 6th:-- 0.892 Final: 4.529

Max Speed: 180 mph


Drivetrain

Differential

Initial: xx/17

Accel:-- xx/25

Braking: xx/10


Suspension

Suspension

Ride Height: -20/-15

Spring Rate: 7.2/9.7

Extension:-- 10/10

Compression: 8/8

Anti-Roll:-- 6/2

Camber:----- 3.1/3.7

Toe:-------- 0.00/0.07


Brakes

Brake Balance Controller

Brake Balance: 7/5


Intended Driving Options

Transmission: Manual (MT)

ABS: 1

Everything else: OFF
Author:  Jason Blanchard [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:10 pm ]
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I run my diff WAY stiffer then you guys...in fact, in my NASCAR, I run it full locked, 60/60/60. I have the '96 running 20/50/15, and it works great, and my tire wear was great, even front and rear, and the car was rock solid stable. I always run with a very stiff differential. The '04 I have running pretty much the same as well.
Author:  Jason Smith [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:15 pm ]
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I'll admit I don't fully understand how the LSD settings in GT5 work.
I mean I know how they work in real life, and I've read the GT5 "help" on them, but it's still not crystal clear.
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:29 pm ]
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Jason Blanchard wrote:
I run my diff WAY stiffer then you guys... I always run with a very stiff differential


Hey!...no need to get personal....everyone likes their diffs a little different I guess. :roll: :lol:
Author:  Jay Barthelotte [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:00 pm ]
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I sold my 2006 Elise...I guess I'll have to buy a virtual one and join in with you guys.
Author:  Kevin Doubleday [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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Jay Barthelotte wrote:
I sold my 2006 Elise...I guess I'll have to buy a virtual one and join in with you guys.


Now why would you go and do that...it looked like you were just getting a handle on the "Go Fast" part !! :P

Join us...its fun!
Author:  Scott Harrod [ Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:40 am ]
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I will miss the first 3 nights of this one. I'm taking a french class and my final exams are on the 12th and 13th. I finally need to do some at home cramming.

When I am back my car is blue with yellow wheels.

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